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Well, thank God that's over.

At this point, anyone that can do the math can see that W's going to be around for four more years, this time with an actual majority in the popular vote to go with a solid win in the Electoral College. It's not a win on the scale of Bush/Dukakis or Reagan/Mondale, but it's a clear win and ought to put an end to the "selected not elected" noise.

Personally, I don't feel like gloating (Will Collier has that more than adequately covered) but it does seem to me that the Democrats need to step back and re-evaluate their love affair with the politics of hate. Some of them seem to be doing that already - Barack Obama looks and sounds remarkably moderate, a fellow I might could have voted for if I lived down in Illinois. That's for them to sort out, though. One good start would be to look around at the Republicans you know and realize that they are, in fact, fairly typical of the party, which is not in fact made up mostly of Nazis, Klan members and theocrats.

I see that Cobb is calling bullshit on the folks complaining about the GOP trying to suppress black turnout, and offering a reward for any proof of same. I'll bet nobody takes him up on his offer.


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Nov. 3rd, 2004 08:18 am (UTC)
I'm very hopeful about Barack Obama.

And actually, while I'm not happy about the result, it looks like a fair win. The problem with letting the people speak is that sometimes they don't go the way you want.
Nov. 3rd, 2004 02:02 pm (UTC)
And actually, while I'm not happy about the result, it looks like a fair win. The problem with letting the people speak is that sometimes they don't go the way you want.

Yeah, but wait'll we get those Orbital Mind-Control LasersTM up and running! Oops...;)
Nov. 3rd, 2004 02:11 pm (UTC)
FOX News already has the satellites up for it, I'm sure.
Nov. 3rd, 2004 02:50 pm (UTC)
Yeah, but the targeting software is a stone bitch. We might have to use some of those USF rat brains - you know the Air Force isn't going to want those anywhere near their nice shiny new F-22s. ^^
Nov. 3rd, 2004 08:51 am (UTC)
Dude, the "politics of hate" are not limited to the Democrats. Or any party for that matter. And watching debates over the Internet, looking over the ads, and everything, there's a lot of hate getting thrown around from all sides, Bush and Kerry no exception.

If this election has taught me anything, it's that we Americans can be stubborn, selfish, uncaring, and unobjective bastards. And again, I am applying that to everyone.

No, Republicans are not all Nazis, Klan members, and theocrats, but Democrats are not all hippie, granola-eating, veteran-beating whackjobs either. Both parties have their fair share of violent, hateful wingnuts and I wish we'd stop paying attention to them and to the majority of what most people think--because Democrat or Republican, I think most are fairly moderate in the end. But that don't sell newspapers, so whackjobs we all will be.

What the Democrats need to do is get of their butts and decide what they really want to do, and make a clear plan for it. The party I'm registered as a member of spends much too much time waffling about, trying to please everyone, instead of sticking to their guns. OTOH, I think some of the Repubs (i.e., Bush) stick to their guns too much, even when it's long past time to admit a possible error. Both sides could learn from each other, but things are still so heated I doubt that'll happen.

Me, I actually wish we could do away with the damn party system, because I think both parties put too many things out of perspective. But I have trouble seeing that happen too.

Nov. 3rd, 2004 09:09 am (UTC)
I agree that the politics of hate aren't exclusive to the Democrats, but I have reasons for putting the onus on them (as a party, certainly not on you and Mike as individuals) this year.

Michael Moore. James Carville. Paul Begala. Cynthia McKinney. These people spout the kind of things on national TV and in movies that would get them punched out if they dared say them to people's faces, and yet they are treated with honor and respect by the Dems. In contrast, Ann Coulter, Pat Buchanan, David Duke and Pat Robertson are pariahs in the Republican Party. Coulter couldn't even hold down a job at National Review, for heaven's sake, and that's not exactly a haven for moderates. Duke has never been elected to anything above the municipal level, if that, and yet we get him hung around our neck all the time while Robert Byrd gets a free pass for being a former (and unrepentant) Klansman and McKinney says the kinds of things about Jews that would make you think she was a Nazi under other circumstances.

When the Dems do to McKinney what we did to David Duke, and to Carville what we did to Buchanan, then I'll be a little more inclined to think they're done with that game, but I'm not holding my breath.
Nov. 3rd, 2004 12:34 pm (UTC)
I see Michael Moore as the Democrats' answer to Rush Limbaugh. Many of those who belong to the same party as these men support them (meaning Dems support Moore and Repubs support Limbaugh), I guess because they bring their issues to the light so brashly and unashamedly.

To borrow a phrase from Al Franken, I think they're both "big fat idiots."

I hate Michael Moore. He's so twisted his view on everything, it's embarrassing to me to say I belong to the same political party he does. I wish he would go join the Green Party so we could all ignore him. That's my opinion, and I know several Democrats who agree with me, so I can't agree that as a whole, we've pardoned Michael Moore.

Now... as for the other people you mentioned? (Carville, Begala, McKinney) Perhaps I should be embarrassed by this, but I have absolutely no frikkin' clue who these people are. I've been trying to follow the news pretty closely (although admittedly mostly sticking close to the election and the war in Iraq), and I've never heard of them, so I can't offer an opinion. The arrogant side of me says if I haven't heard of them they musn't be that important; another side of me wonders if perhaps they're talked about in Midwest news and ignored over here on the East Coast (and just an hour away from DC); part of me wonders what the hell I haven't been paying attention to that I should've.

For the record, I've never heard of David Duke or Ann Coulter either; and Robertson and Buchanan I've only heard of because they're well-media-covered right wing religious whackjobs (as opposed to left wing religious whackjobs like myself, who generally get ignored by the media) and I've never once thought they honestly represented any sort of normal Republican.

I can only reiterate the Democrats need to find some more unity--hard, when everyone has slightly different opinions and at least wants to put on the image of being "open-minded"--and put some more hard issues and plans on the line. That would probably put the party extremists in their place too.

Nov. 3rd, 2004 01:28 pm (UTC)
I think if you haven't heard of most of those people then you're in better shape than I am, because it means you're not as heavily into politics as I am. Carville and Begala are Democratic talking heads and big-name political operators who were very prominent in the Clinton years, and McKinney is a black Georgia congresswoman who was beaten in the 2002 primaries by the much more moderate (and blacker) Denise Majette. Unfortunately, Majette got talked into running for Zell Miller's Senate seat and got creamed, so we have McKinney to put up with again.

Ann Coulter is a lawyer/pundit infamous for suggesting in the wake of 9/11 that the best solution to the problem was to invade the Middle East and convert all the Muslims to Christianity, killing any who refused. David Duke is an ex-KKK Grand Wizard who ran for Congress and Governor doen in Louisiana.

Like I said, I think it's kind of a good thing that you don't know who these people are because it means you're less obsessed with politics.
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