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Good night, sweet prince

I've been holding off posting on the whole George Tiller thing, partially because it's just not a burning issue for me and partially because I just don't post very much about the abortion issue. Most of my friends have pretty fixed attitudes on it by now, as do I, and I seriously doubt that anyone's mind is going to be changed by anything I have to say, so why waste everyone's time?

Still, the whole RARRRRR from folks on the left side of the blogosphere about this is something to behold. I think it's fair to say there's been a veritable Holocaust for straw men of the Christian pro-life persuasion as a result of this, because everyone knows us God-botherers go to bed every night frustrated that we haven't killed a baby-murderer for Jesus' sake. FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF.

As far as I could tell, the man needed killing. He specialized in doing late-term abortions, which is to say he routinely killed children who under other circumstances would have started life in a neonatal ICU. He did this on the flimsiest pretexts, certifying that there was some medical need beside the mother's desire to get rid of an inconvenient potential tax deduction. He had been indicted for this, but the legal process was sabotaged by Governor Sebelius and her supporters in the Kansas state government, and in the end he walked away a free man. So some lunatic went to Tiller's church and wasted him. This was wrong, everyone of any significance in the pro-life movement condemned it as wrong, but that didn't matter to people who seized on Tiller's murder as PROOF that all anti-abortion activists are MURDERERS. To say that attitude and reaction is dumb and stupid is to say the Hindenburg disaster was an unfortunate incident in aviation history. Look, if we were the violent fucks all y'all think we are, i.e. half as irritable as the Wahhabis, you folks wouldn't be around to make dumb posts like that because you'd be dead, or intimidated into silence. Or out bombing churches in revenge. Oh, wai-

Well, whatever; Tiller is dead, his murderer is in custody and clearly deserves the chair, if Kansas still has that. I'd volunteer to throw the switch.

Megan McArdle has some useful posts on the subject; surprisingly so given her recent drivel on the Sotomayor nomination:
The War on the War On Abortion
A Really Long Post About Abortion
One More Post

Anyway, Ms. McArdle (unlike me) is one of those Orange pro-choice types, so it's a little surprising (if pleasant) to see that we wind up in some of the same places. Read all of them, if you will.

Now you know why I've been cutting back on reading & posting about politics lately. This stuff will boil your brain if you spend enough time marinating in it, and I have uses for that brain.


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Jun. 2nd, 2009 05:43 pm (UTC)
Please - look into the specific cases of those women who needed late term abortions.
There are valid reasons why a woman would need and want one, and there are only two or three places in the NATION where a woman can get one - at her own travel expense and usually at her own medical expense.

Cases include:
- a mother diagnosed with cancer and needing immediate chemotherapy, which she cannot have while pregnant and delay risks her life as a mother to 2 children already born
- a mother finding out at a late ultrasound that the fetus would not live more than a few days beyond birth and most likely would be in terrible pain
- discovering that the fetuses are conjoined twins joined in such a way that only one twin would live and the other would endure extensive surgeries with still only minimal chance of survival, again while enduring extreme pain

These are extreme examples, but please do not think that any woman - any COUPLE - choosing a late term abortion is not under desperate pressure.

There ARE reasons for late term abortion. I have not studied all of Tiller's cases to know the specifics of each one, or the ratio of how many were "frivolous".

I can say that as we make it harder and harder to get an abortion in this country, more women end up with late term pregnancies that they never wanted because the system (no access, no clinic within hundreds of miles, waiting periods, requirement of two visits) delays them to such an extent that abortion becomes almost impossible to get.

From my own experience, by the time we got the results from the amniocentesis, we were coming up on the fifth month of the pregnancy. I desperately wanted a baby, but if there had been congenital defects...? By the time I found out and would have been able to schedule a completely legal abortion - I would've been bumping right up against the sixth month of pregnancy.

*IF* I could find a provider willing to perform the procedure.

What we need is advanced science that will allow women to completely control their reproductive system. So that a woman has to "opt in" to fertility. Wouldn't that solve a lot of problems? Or is that too much contraception for a Catholic??
Jun. 2nd, 2009 06:18 pm (UTC)
"Or is that too much contraception for a Catholic??"

The easy (and snarky) answer here would be "What do you care? You're not Catholic."

However, having had to deal with this topic at the margins because I married a non-Catholic woman...in an ideal world, yeah, there would be tests you could do early enough to find problems and either not have kids to start with (NFP at the current state of technology works at least as well as condoms but requires more discipline) or be able to fix problems in the womb. And I'm all in favor of research to get us closer to that ideal.

I'm not saying there aren't reasons for late term abortions. I am saying I don't want them done here in the Commonwealth, and I don't want them paid for with my taxes at any level. It's odd, BTW, that the pro-life movement (and its related medical & adoption services) manages to survive on donations while Planned Parenthood and its ilk are always whining to the government for money. It's also odd that if this is a medically necessary procedure that's so frequently needed, that abortionists are so few in number and generally regarded as pariahs by the rest of their profession, to the point where laws are being contemplated to force doctors to perform them despite their religious objections.
Jun. 3rd, 2009 01:03 pm (UTC)
Very well said Cheb.
Jun. 3rd, 2009 03:01 pm (UTC)
lol wut?
Jun. 3rd, 2009 08:20 pm (UTC)
Ack! Sorry Wombat, when reading with little sleep (and a nasty sinus infection), sometimes my brain does not acknowledge when I move on from one author to the next.
I'm not even sure why I typed that, as if that had been the source I'd be typing a lot more out of shock.
Jun. 4th, 2009 02:13 am (UTC)
I was thinking something like that must have been going on. Get some sleep and some antibiotics, my friend, not necessarily in that order.
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