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I cried. I cheered.

Spiderman 2 - five stars, two thumbs up. This movie reminded me why I love almost all of the Marvel superheroes while almost all of the DC heroes leave me cold...because the Marvel heroes are almost all ordinary guys who find themselves in the shit one day...week...month...lifetime, and rise to meet the challenge. chibitoaster, you rule for suggesting this movie!

Afterwards we grabbed some coffee at Caribou and hung out on a third-floor bench away from all the obnoxious music while we talked about AMVs and the hideous things that happen to rice and wheat and kaiju, and then we wandered out to her car and gossiped and talked about Anime Detour some more and finally realized that she'd forgotten the dealer's room paperwork from this year's con. Oops. Well, it was still a great evening and we agreed we were going to have to do this again Real Soon. There's a lot of good movies coming out, so this may get to be a regular thing. I hope. #^__^#

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tokenfanboy
Jul. 16th, 2004 11:44 pm (UTC)
My favortie superhero has always been Bat-Man. He technically has no super-powers, just lots of money and a lifetime spent training. Peter Parker could have prevented the death of his Uncle Ben, whereas Bruce Wayne was too young and powerless to stop his parents being shot before his eyes. Yes, he is obsessed with his "mission", with good reason I might add. The fact that Bat-Man can be injured, sometimes rather severely ("Knightfall") and has even had one of the Robin's die ("A Death In the Family") makes him that much more interesting.

As far as team books go, the X-Men rule all. But as far as solo characters go Bat-Man is tops in my book.

My one criticism of both of the Spider-Man movies is that he's not witty. At least in all the comics I read growing up, Spidey was always portrayed as the "wise-cracking web-slinger". Maybe they'll bring that aspect into the character for the third movie now that "Tiger" isn't quite so moody.
wombat_socho
Jul. 17th, 2004 10:40 am (UTC)
Batman rules, yes...the only one of the DC superheroes I really liked, precisely because of his backstory, which you summarize so well. I'm not a big fan of the superhero team series, but then I came late to comics. My parents were death on comics when I was a kid, so it wasn't until I was an adult that I had a chance to go back and find out what happened in some of the story arcs that I'd seen bits and pieces of.

I haven't seen the first Spiderman movie, but yes, this version does seem a bit dull compared to what I recall of the TV cartoon Spiderman. As you say, maybe now that he's a little more confident, the wisecracks and wit will come out. Here's hoping.
chibitoaster
Jul. 20th, 2004 09:05 pm (UTC)
see, I was glad that they changed it. Sometimes we like it to be cheesy, but Hollywood has proven that they can't do it right... so let's stick with what they can do right.

The strong point is that Spiderman is the story of Peter Parker. It's not about the league of superheroes, just about a kid who has some amazing thing happen to him. but he's still a kid.

Batman is also good for the fact that he's only human with a lot of really nifty toys. DC likes stories about the heroes, Marvel likes stories about the people behind the heroes, and that's why I think I generally like marvel comics better than DC.

Spiderman, Hulk, Ironman, X-men - they're all about the people and individual personalities.

Superman, Batman, Wonderwoman - they're all about the heroes. We don't get much of their everyday lives or how they interact with other normal people.

At any rate, I'm glad they got rid of some of that Stan Lee/Jack Kirby cheese. When you think about it, it wasn't really witty, just corny. And I think it's much wittier to create a scene like that one in the elevator. Now, that's brilliant!

Think of it this way - they have to cater to non-fans, also, and non-fans will take those one-liners as just cheesy.

~R


tokenfanboy
Jul. 20th, 2004 09:18 pm (UTC)
The elevator scene was very good. However, Joss Whedon has been writing witty dialogue for Buffy for many years now and it never got in the way of the story or made the stories seem cheesy. It can be done, you just need the right script and know when to not make jokes as well as when to make them.
wombat_socho
Jul. 21st, 2004 06:01 pm (UTC)
Unfortunately, not every screenwriter is Joss Whedon, and most of them can't even carry 1% of his jock. At this point in life I have resigned myself to the fact that the TV series will not be like the movie which in turn is not like the manga/novel/short story. You have to take these things on their own terms and not get too wrapped around the axle over character & plot changes that most of the people watching will never get.
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