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Katrina and the National Guard

I got into an argument with barondave on dreamshark's LJ about the Louisiana National Guard. He seems to have bought into the notion going around that with the 256th Mechanized Brigade in Iraq, the Louisiana Guard was left helpless to deal with Katrina. I pointed out that with a troop strength of over 11,000 men, the LA NG still had most of a division equivalent to deal with the problem. Streiff at redstate.org gets into a little more detail, although I think he's wrong about the 256th having no utility under the present circumstances. Everybody in the Army National Guard gets civil disturbance training in Basic, regardless of whether you're a groundpounder or a payroll clerk, and that training gets refreshed every year. As for the M9 ACE, it's basically a bulldozer built on an M1 Abrams chassis, just like its predecessor the M728 was a bulldozer built on an M60 chassis. Bulldozers would be of more use than Streiff seems to think, especially with the armor protection to keep idiots from taking potshots at the crew. Of course, there's that little problem about fuel supply...how much JP-4 do you suppose is left in New Orleans to fuel the M1 and M9s even if they weren't in Iraq?

Still, 6500 Guardsmen (what's left after the 256th was deployed) is over four times the size of the New Orleans Police Department, and hopefully not nearly as corrupt. Even if you take a few hundred off the top for admin and communications. Add in the 4500 troops arriving over the next three days (third paragraph) and things ought to calm down quite a bit. I hope.


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Sep. 2nd, 2005 08:54 pm (UTC)
bought into the notion going around... Yeah, ain't reality a kick.

As I pointed out in my initial response to your post, the fact that there are guardsmen left in the states doesn't change the fact that a great many National Guardsmen are spending a great deal of time in Iraq (now two years after Bush claimed "the (main) fighting is over"), often under pressure to stay because of low troop strength overall, which is taking away from their (other) main role of providing the governor of a state troops in emergency situations.

Again, Strain of War Means the Relief Burden Will Have To Be Shared.

"National Guard officials in the states acknowledged that the scale of the destruction is stretching the limits of available manpower while placing another extraordinary demand on their troops -- most of whom have already served tours in Iraq or Afghanistan or in homeland defense missions since 2001."

Repeating an argument that has been shot down won't work unless you're Scott McClelland.
Sep. 2nd, 2005 09:45 pm (UTC)
I'm at a loss to figure out what your argument is. Are you saying there aren't enough troops to deal with the situation? This is obviously wrong, and I've pointed it out to you twice with different sourcing. Are you saying we ought to have some unstated number of troops in reserve? I can't help thinking at this point that you're just playing Pin The Blame On Bush.
Sep. 5th, 2005 03:23 pm (UTC)
Repeating an argument that has been shot down doesn't advance your point (he says again). You seem to have gotten the memo from Karl Rove, and all Bush apologists sound alike. I urge you to read a bit more widely.

While not a direct response to this thread, my LJ entry for 9/4/05 addresses some of these subjects and will end my sojourn here until you actually come up with some facts that haven't been discussed yet.
Sep. 5th, 2005 07:07 pm (UTC)
Bringing up different evidence to support that point does, and assuming I'm taking someone else's orders is just insulting - and doesn't advance YOUR argument either. The whole Guard-in-Iraq issue is just another flimsy stick to beat on the Administration with for people who aren't serious about the issues, and I've wasted enough time on it and you.
Sep. 2nd, 2005 09:20 pm (UTC)
Facts, something that most people lack. Thus, I'm not commenting on this particular subject. :)

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