The latter...that was an interesting experience. She inserted herself into a conversation jiawen and I were having, and somehow the flow of words wound up tapdancing along the edge of the abyss that is the HRMP Wars. Now, it was very apparent that lydy felt herself horribly done by; she repeatedly said that she had tried to apologize to various and sundry people over the last ten years, and I can well believe that, and I did my best to talk her down, as she seemed a couple of seconds away from a nervous breakdown. Apparently it worked, which is good, because I'm perfectly willing to believe that she never expected the shit-storm of criticism and personal attacks that the HRMP set off, and I'm also willing to believe that it hurt her quite badly because she felt her intentions were good. So I felt somewhat sorry for her and not at all inclined to say what I have said here previously, which is that if you're going to tell people they aren't in the charmed circle of trufen they're not going to take it particularly well and are liable to turn on you...which in fact they did.
fmsv was also involved in the conversation toward the end, which surprised me since he hasn't said two words to me since huladavid and I chased him out of StippleAPA. I mean, I'd walk by him at conventions, say, "Hi, Dean!" and get the Glassy Stare. I guess he finally got the message that I wasn't going to bite his head off and/or rant at him about MNSTF crap. Didn't see Greg or Lisa, and went home about 10:30. Now it's time to fall over so I can get up in the morning and go to work like I would have today if I'd had more than 90 minutes of sleep.