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I really shouldn't do it on Facebook, either. For better or worse, up until the last couple of weeks I've been trying to be...well, maybe not entirely inoffensive, but I haven't gone out of my way to poke people with sticks. But today, I couldn't resist the temptation to post this, which I ganked from Instapundit:

The responses have been very instructive. Apparently a lot of people who liked the original did poorly on the analogy part of the SAT.


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Oct. 1st, 2011 01:46 am (UTC)
and you might not have scored well on the "its not nice to troll your friends
with really offensive things" part of the test....

that was flat out offensive and not offered as a joke; if it offends then it offends,
but then you have just offended your friends - at least that is what facebook calls them.

Oct. 1st, 2011 03:28 am (UTC)
Most of them are more friends than acquaintances, and I would hope my friends who know me well know that I'm not above occasional crudeness to drive home a point.

Was the satire offensive? Probably, a good satire usually pisses people off. The original was no less offensive - Rousseau's perversion of the social contract notions created by Hobbes and refined by Locke is utterly vile, and the fewer people who believe that kind of statist crap in office, the better.
Oct. 1st, 2011 02:28 am (UTC)
Oct. 1st, 2011 03:29 am (UTC)
This is what we have now, yeah. And it needs to go away, not be reinforced by more of the same.
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Oct. 1st, 2011 03:24 am (UTC)
Well, this is the sort of thing we conservatives are trying to root out of the Federal government, the notion that it's okay to do that kind of thing. In the long term that sort of thuggery is corrosive to the very notion of a constitutional republic.
Oct. 1st, 2011 04:57 am (UTC)
That's priceless! Serves her right, too.
Oct. 1st, 2011 01:23 pm (UTC)
Ahh... This is the serious discussion, right?
Oct. 1st, 2011 02:42 pm (UTC)
This is the serious discussion about trolling. I think I'll actually getting around to frothing about the different views of the social contract as it pertains to jobs, sex and Mob rule sometime next week.
Oct. 2nd, 2011 06:03 am (UTC)
if we are on trolling - i don't agree that trolling your friends is a good
way to change hearts and minds - but it you just feel like taking a stick
out and poking your friends with it.... nope, i still don't understand why
someone would do that.

if it is about being conservative and thus independent from the government
and "social contract" perhaps all of us could do with some time looking in a
mirror and reciting truthfully a list of ways that we are benefitting from the
government and the "social contract" to try to make sure our beliefs, actions
and words are congruent.

or would that be considered trolling friends? if so, i would withdraw the
suggestion. i admit i may have an incomplete understanding of the issue at hand.


Oct. 2nd, 2011 03:05 pm (UTC)
Trolling is probably the wrong word for what I was trying to accomplish here. Despite my flippancy, I wanted some people who had been really excited about Warren's comment on the social contract to see where the argument goes if you transpose it to another area of human interaction. Unfortunately, it didn't work.

Being independent from the government is p. much impossible these days unless you go off and live an eremitic existence in the wilderness somewhere. However, there are a number of ways to look at the social contract, and it should be no surprise that I would find Warren's Rousseauist, collectivist attitude not only wrong but actively evil. A contract has to be made between willing parties or it's no contract at all, and a lot of folks these days are looking at the deal being laid out by the Feds and saying "No thanks; we don't want to be taxed and indebted for all this graft you're handing out to your buddies."

I have some things I want to say about the social contract at greater length, and I'm going to put them in a longer post.

Asking questions isn't trolling unless you already know the answers, and I can tell by your questions that you aren't sure where I'm coming from on this.
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