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And people thought W was stupid.

Mexicans were here long before America was even an idea, says our Chief Executive. Well, now we know he didn't take any U.S. History at Occidental, Columbia or Harvard. As RCP points out, Mexico rebelled against Spain in 1810 and was first recognized as a nation in 1821. The United States, of course, has been around since 1776. I know 0bama has to pander to the irrendentista retards in his party, but this is spectacularly stupid, to say nothing of annoying to all the non-Mexican Latinos in this country.
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kishiriadgr
Sep. 22nd, 2010 04:56 am (UTC)
I have to disagree. Mestizaje, the comingling of Spanish and Native peoples, was giving rise to the concept of Mexicanismo as early as the mid-17th century. While Mexico as an independent nation celebrated its 200th anniversary last week, people born in the colony were identifying as Mexican long before that.
jordan179
Sep. 22nd, 2010 05:43 am (UTC)
Mestizaje, the comingling of Spanish and Native peoples, was giving rise to the concept of Mexicanismo as early as the mid-17th century.

Oh, you mean exactly the same period in which England's North American colonies were also acquiring a distinctly "American" cultural identity? You still haven't proven Obama's point there.
kishiriadgr
Sep. 22nd, 2010 05:46 am (UTC)
Was there indeed an American identity in 1648? Please provide a citation. I can point to the Nican Mopohua, which was published in 1648 as a partially devotional work, but largely a polemic of divinely-approved identity.
jordan179
Sep. 22nd, 2010 06:00 am (UTC)
Well ... to be precise, there was a "New England" identity and a "Virginia" identity. They hadn't quite begun to merge yet, because they were settled by very different types of people, and what are today the Middle Northeastern states were not yet under English control.
wombat_socho
Sep. 22nd, 2010 12:34 pm (UTC)
My crypto-jewish ancestors in what would become New Mexico weren't much interested in commingling with the Indians who were trying to kill them or (later) in Mexico as a state. They were more interested in the fundamentally American notion of being left alone to do their thing. I'll grant you this probably wasn't the case in the rest of the territories we acquired in 1848, but we stole those fair and square. ;)
kishiriadgr
Sep. 22nd, 2010 02:13 pm (UTC)
Those were also not inhabited until the later 18th century. The first part of Mexico to be inhabited was the central valley, from Veracruz to what is now Mexico City. There was very much a Mexican identity happening early there.
wombat_socho
Sep. 22nd, 2010 02:15 pm (UTC)
Well, sure, there was a sense of identity as Mexica evident even during Cortez' conquest. That's not the same as the national identity of Mexico, though, is it?

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harvey_rrit
Sep. 22nd, 2010 04:56 am (UTC)
Mexicans have cause for resentment.

Not only did we take half their country, it was the half with paved roads.
jordan179
Sep. 22nd, 2010 05:44 am (UTC)
Um ... no. Actually, it was the half with the least roads -- Texas, California, New Mexico, and the wilderness beyond.
harvey_rrit
Sep. 22nd, 2010 05:56 am (UTC)
Thank you for sharing.

Stay away from the cookies, they're full of sugar.
kishiriadgr
Sep. 22nd, 2010 02:18 pm (UTC)
By the time the U.S. took those parts of the country (Santa Ana is still the most hated man in Mexican history) it was full of roads, but at that point ALL of Mexico had roads. And yes, Jordan, California most definitely had them--ever heard of the Camino Real?
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jordan179
Sep. 22nd, 2010 05:42 am (UTC)
I'm guessing that by "Mexicans" Obama is referring either to inhabitants of the Viceroyalty of New Spain or to the ancient Indian cultures of the Valley of Mexico. In either case, it's a bit disinegenous on his part, as present day Mexico is ruled by neither.
kishiriadgr
Sep. 22nd, 2010 05:48 am (UTC)
Mexico is ruled by both. Sorry man, Mexican history is one of my strong suits. The idea of the two races forming a third is one pushed hard throughout Mexican writings dating back to the end of the 16th century, picking up speed in the 17th.
wombat_socho
Sep. 22nd, 2010 12:29 pm (UTC)
You could make the case that Mexico is ruled by the biological descendants of Cortez' merry little band and their native allies, but I don't think the Marquis del Valle would care very much for the policies of the PRI or PAN. Still doesn't change the fact that it was an epic fail politically.
kishiriadgr
Sep. 22nd, 2010 02:15 pm (UTC)
*I* don't care for PRI. If I had the vote there (I'm eligible but feel it'd be bad for the security clearance I hold in this country, the one I actually live in) I'd be a fairly strong PAN supporter. I like their platform.
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