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One less convention I'll be visiting

haikujaguar, who recently wrapped up the most excellent "Spots The Space Marine" web serial here on LJ, recently made a trip to Readercon and posted about it here.

I'm glad she did well there, but I completely sympathize with her decision not to go back for a while - if ever. The knee-jerk political and anti-religious attitudes on display there aren't unique to Readercon by any stretch of the imagination, and to say it sticks in my craw is a massive understatement. The inability of these people to see that they're engaged in a massive case of projection is truly astounding, and says volumes about how compassionate and sensitive they really are. As I put it some years ago at one of the last Convergence cons I went to before moving down here, "Look, I'm not here to discuss politics. I'm here to discuss SF & fantasy. You want to talk to me about politics, do it somewhere else because I'm not going to do it here." Still, the ugly fact is that most SF fans seem to assume that you, too, are politically liberal and atheist, and that political conservatives/religious people are suitable figures for derision. Which we don't appreciate, surprisingly enough.

Related: I don't pimp Liberty SF nearly enough and should probably put it in my blogroll here at the LJ.

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wombat_socho
Jul. 25th, 2011 09:21 pm (UTC)
Because these people are ignorant fuggheads who think all "Christers" are the same? Honestly, I don't know either.
3fgburner
Jul. 25th, 2011 03:16 am (UTC)
These are people whose heads would go all 'splody, if they wandered into Barfly Central at any con where there were 2 or more Baen fen present. The first quivers of freaking out would come when they saw the multiply-perforated targets posted on the walls, most of them shot by the ladies in the bunch.
wombat_socho
Jul. 25th, 2011 09:38 pm (UTC)
I can't imagine the people we're discussing going into Barfly Central any more than I can imagine them buying and reading anything by Drake, Kratman, or Ringo.
kishiriadgr
Jul. 25th, 2011 05:50 am (UTC)
Heh, I was just talking to a longtime friend of mine about how all my east coast anime friends have evolved into kneejerk liberal Democrat douchebags. Only two are religious, with one being Catholic and the other fuzzy-bunny Wiccan. I once would have said that it follows that being an SF/Fantasy fan would lead towards one being liberal, except that most of my west-coast SF/fantasy friends are libertarian, with me being the most conservative of the bunch. I don't know where Readercon is, but maybe part of that is locale?
wombat_socho
Jul. 25th, 2011 09:37 pm (UTC)
Judging from my experiences in conventions between DC and Minnesota, I'm afraid it's not a local problem; this is something that seems encoded in the fundamental DNA of SF and its fandom.
kishiriadgr
Jul. 25th, 2011 09:50 pm (UTC)
Yes, but as I said, the SF fans here in SoCal tend to be more conservative than the east coast.
wombat_socho
Jul. 25th, 2011 10:02 pm (UTC)
I wonder why.
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wombat_socho
Jul. 26th, 2011 09:31 am (UTC)
I think the influx of fantasy fans also feeds into this. I've lost count of the number of fantasy novels I've seen where the Catholic/Christian Church (or a sloppy imitation of it) is the obvious heavy in the story, and I daresay that trope wouldn't be so widespread if it weren't popular.

And I don't think you have to be immersed in the culture - I really haven't been since moving down here - to see that something's wrong.
433
Jul. 26th, 2011 02:34 am (UTC)
I tend to think there are not as many capital-C Conservatives (meaning the people who call themselves Republicans these days), but sci-fi fandom is remarkably liberal. There are quite a few small-L libertarians as well as those who have mare varied positions, but the assumption is there because of the data.
wombat_socho
Jul. 26th, 2011 09:34 am (UTC)
Yeah, but why is that? Is there that much of a counter-cultural element in fandom because most fans are too socially inept/lack the skills to make it in mainstream capitalist, Christian America? What happened to the kind of fans who read Heinlein and Clarke (for example) and became engineers in NASA? Did they all fuck off to the combat SF ghetto? Inquiring minds want to know!
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